Sengoku basara

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  1. Cybermanworf

    Cybermanworf Well-Known Member

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    A general discussion thread for Sengoku Basara. I started this series with Sengoku Basara 3 and afterwards I imported Utage and the hd collection. I really love this series and i can't wait for 4.
     
  2. Balder

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    Gonna do some necro-bumping here. Hope it's alright.
    Anyway, I'm a big fan of this series but I usually discuss it in other pastures. Alas, those discussions have lately been stuck in a Groundhog Day loop between the bi-weekly updates of the currently in development Sengoku Basara 4 with people speculating over the roster and other people shooting down said speculation that last until the next batch is revealed.
    That said, I'm going to try and convert more folks or at least get to know the fans of the series here at Skullheart.
    To those unfamiliar with the series, it's essentially a stylish hack and slash series where the player mows down entire armies under the guise of overtly fantastic depictions of prominent figures from Japan's Age of Warring States. The games aren't "difficult" games per se and are usually best for venting and feel like a total badass. The real challenge is mastering the combat system that IS quite complex (the game is by the makers of DMC3 and DMC4, after all).

    Anyway, 4 is currently in the works and here's a few trailers to give a idea of what the series is about and to those who are already fans, the improvements. The first 3 have been edited with subtitles by a joint effort of the more dedicated fans and trailer 4 is fresh from this week.
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    Here's the official site: http://www.capcom.co.jp/basara4/
    The game is set for a (unfortunately) Japan exclusive release on January 23rd, 2014.

    While Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes was the first title I played, I've been following the series since it's debut.
    Personally, I love the series for it's colorful cast, stylish presentation, addicting gameplay, amazing soundtrack and sense of humor.
    My top three favorite characters are Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Oichi and Otani Yoshitsugu.
     
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  3. Cybermanworf

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    Thank you for responding Balder, with that post you probably could have done a better introduction then I could have. My favourite characters are Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Ishida Mitsunari and Takeda Shingen.
     
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  4. Lunerstep

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    Love Oichi, I use her all the time X3
     
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  5. Gamesandgoodies

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    sengoku basara 3 is super awesome fun.
    I forget who my favorite to use was in that game.
     
  6. BZ Choy

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    I have Sengoku Basara X (the fighting game made by ArcSys) but I have no idea how the game systems work.
     
  7. Balder

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    The latest update is all about Capcom unleashing their hounds of war and making known they'll milk fans for every cent they got.
    Sengoku Basara has now jumped aboard the DLC train in the form of retailer specific alternate costumes. "Luckily", they're essentially texture swaps with minor details altered so nothing for importers to fret about.

    http://www.capcom.co.jp/basara4/dlc.html

    The most elaborate of these goes to the new girl, man-hating Christmas cake, Ii Naotora.


    On a side note, and something that I personally found quite disappointing, the character designer is no longer Makoto Tsuchibayashi (who has worked on the series since SB1 and also designed characters for Shinobi, Devil May Cry and Vanquish) but the anime designer, Ookubo Tooru. :/

    Anyway, if they stick to the bi-weekly pattern, the next batch of character reveals for SB4 comes next Tuesday. At this point, it's a fair assumption that only veteran characters will be confirmed.
     
  8. Balder

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    Pardon the cheeky double post but we got a big surprise out of nowhere. Sadly, as is customary in the series, it's the kind of surprise we can look but can't touch. The latest update brings us 3 characters.
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    Left to right: Oichi, her husband Azai Nagamasa returning from a long hiatus since SB2 and a new character out of bleepin' nowhere, Kyougoku Maria, Azai Nagamasa's older sister. (In real life she was a Christian hence the Western name.)

    Screenshots: http://www.4gamer.net/games/209/G020985/20131107066/
    Translations: http://www.raindropsanddaydreams.co.uk/2013/11/news-roundup-weekly-famitsu-announces.html

    Oichi and Nagamasa returning are great news for me. Now I patiently await for Otani Yoshitsugu and Matsunaga Hisahide.
     
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  9. Cybermanworf

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    I really want to get Sengoku Basara 4 but due to the fact there are some characters that aren't playable such as toshiie, Matsu, Shingen etcetra, I feel they might release another version of the game which will later include the other characters. In that case should I wait until that potentially happens or should I get them as they get released?
     
  10. Balder

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    Yay, I don't have to triple post! -_-"

    If tradition remains, a expansion will eventually be released (probably early next year) but if the trend continues, you'll miss out on the full story mode that is always removed in the expansion to make room for more characters, modes and short character-specific stories.
    If you think that's worth the purchase or not, well, let the Story trailer released yesterday speak for itself.


    Personally, I'll try getting this ASAP. The last character trailer FINALLY showed what I've been waiting to see since the game was announcement, that buffet of manliness that goes by the name of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. 03:23 for best character in the series.


    Since I'm going trailer-happy, here's the latest subtitled ones. All the raw ones are in the Capcom Channel.
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    The cast has been fully revealed - 32 PCs (highest PC count in the series) and 8 NPCs.
    http://www.capcom.co.jp/basara4/character.html
    Sadly, SB1 veteran Houjou Ujimasa is not appearing this time likely because he's the least popular character in the series, which is a shame. He's a fun, unique character and in Utage is easily one of the strongest but because he's a scrawny old man nobody likes him.
     
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  11. Jutsei

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    I'm planning to get SB 3 hopefully.
    And maybe SB 4 if it comes to the states
     
  12. Vladislav_Paizis

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    Does the HD collection have English subs?
     
  13. Cybermanworf

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    The HD collection does not have english subs but there are script translations of some of the games on gamesfaqs so you might be able to tell what is going on.
     
  14. Balder

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    While Samurai Heroes is a great game (with a GLORIOUS dub that shut my hater weeaboo mouth), it's largely outshadowed by the expansion, Sengoku Basara 3 Utage. The character count alone says it all - SB3 has 16 PCs and Utage has 31 (3's 14 NPCs made playable plus the PC debut of Matsunaga Hisahide). Furthermore, Utage introduces TAG mode that allows you to take two characters unto the field as well as add new skills and retune all the SB3 veterans with new skill properties and cancel options.
    And it costs a dirt cheap 2,500 JPY right now.

    And I highly doubt SB4 will see the light of day in the West. If you're not familiar with the series, it's one of Capcom's two Japanese cash cows (the other being Monster Hunter) but while MonHun sells like hot cakes, the best selling Basara game so far is SB3 at around 500,000 units...which, let's face it, is not much. Where Basara really rakes in the green is with merchandise and events. There's a large amount of stage play adaptations, including one by a well known all female troupe. And that stuff obviously doesn't stick Westside.
    And if you look at Samurai Heroes, you can tell Capcom NEVER bothered making any sort of promotion for the game (not even a freakin' stream session). If you weren't a fan of the series by then, chances are you didn't know 3 was being localized.
    I think Basara is a very unique phenomenon in the industry given that it's a somewhat fanservice-heavy action game marketed for girls.

    I wish things were different and Capcom give the series a honest attempt at selling the brand in the West, but I don't see it happening.
    I'd gladly settle for a subtitled only digital release.
    The games are very import-friendly, with the HUD having enough visual cues for the player to understand what he's supposed to do and for the most part, the objective is just KILL EVERYONE. Rarely, if ever. will the game make you babysit NPCs. But it is a shame to miss out on the dialogue because these games have pretty entertaining stories, be it the dramatic or comedic type.

    As Cybermanworf pointed out, there are no subs but almost everything in SB2H has been translated by diligent fans. As said above, the games are very import friendly.
    If you haven't already, I'd extend the suggestion of getting Utage instead. By now the game alone costs a measly €17 and the core gameplay experience completely blows the prequels out of the water. I personally love SB2H and I think it's better than both 3 and Utage in terms of stages (they're more and overall more fun to play) but the way the character "handles" and the number of options the player has is just miles better.
     
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  15. Jutsei

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    So meager original version I can actually understand, or better version with more characters that I can't understand.
    Huh.
    Tough call
     
  16. Cybermanworf

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    Another reason why Utage is a better version is that it has more modes outside of story mode and free mode such as a set of 30 missions, 8 more stages, versus mode and conquest mode but yeah I don't know what anyone is saying so there is still that.
     
  17. Lunerstep

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    As long as my Oichi's playable it'll have my interest. ^^
     
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  18. Cybermanworf

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    I have come to a decision that I will wait until an expansion of Sengoku Basara 4 instead of buying the this version even though it will take a while longer.
     
  19. Lunerstep

    Lunerstep Filia Fanatic, Minette Supporter, and I love Marie

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    An expansion huh? like utage did?
     
  20. Cybermanworf

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    Well we have no concrete idea there will be another version like with utage or heroes but if we follow the trend and the fact that several characters that were playable in utage are now npcs it seems likely that we might another version where the npcs plus the two other new characters Maria and Ashikage get released as well which might be a year or more after this gets released, again going by what the pattern seems to be.
     
  21. Lunerstep

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    Makes sense.
    However unlikely my personal hope is if there's an expansion I kinda want Itsuki back ^^
     
  22. Balder

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    For that particular title, you at least get a dilemma. For everything else, it's take it or leave it.
    Just remember that if you get Samurai Heroes, you don't get Norio Wakamoto.

    Her hasubando is back so unless you want sweet tokusatsu justice stomped on your backside, choose your words carefully. :P
    And a cutscene excerpt already shows her going berserk at seeing him dead.
    I think she might remain excluded. Tragically, her seiyuu passed away at the young age of 41, taken away by the Big C.
    In the mobile game, she is voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro, who voices Kyougoku Maria (but the series isn't stranger to having one VA voice two characters).

    Excluded characters are:
    - Nouhime
    - Mori Ranmaru
    - Xavi
    - Itsuki
    - Imagawa Yoshimoto
    - Miyamoto Musashi
    - Honganji Kennyo
    - Houjou Ujimasa ("freshly" cut in SB4)

    Xavi is unpopular and has been replaced by Sorin, Itsuki has the unfortunate situation I've mentioned and Yoshimoto, Kennyo and Musashi are very unpopular as well as "2-skillers", characters with a grossly incomplete moveset that only have 2 special moves (current series standard is 8 skills per character) so Capcom would be better off making new characters to sell then remake these who would take almost as much work as entirely new characters.
    Most fans are hoping Nouhime and Ranmaru will appear in SB4's expansion given that Nobunaga is looking for them in his story but Ujimasa's exclusion (a character that has a current gen model), is damping some of those expectations.
     
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  23. Lunerstep

    Lunerstep Filia Fanatic, Minette Supporter, and I love Marie

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    and I do feel bad for her cuse of her husband, but that wont stop me from liking her so : P

    Also I guess those points make sense, but as I stated what I wish may and most likely not happen, there just wishes for the game not demands.
     
  24. Balder

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    So, game's getting released next week and Capcom is doing the last stretch to Hype Station with a trailer blow out, one per day showing the new characters (this is Capcom so Hideyoshi, Hanbei and Nagamasa count as "new").

    YAMANAKA SHIKANOSUKE


    GOTOU MATABEI


    TAKENAKA HANBEI


    TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI [SIDEBURNS INTENSIFY]


    Keep tabs on Capcom Channel for more.


    On a side note, to give those out of the loop a idea of what the Basara phenomenon is, have a look at the Basara character themed meals and cocktails promotion. I'm not the booze type and I gotta say some of these look pretty good, namely the sundae-esque Kuroda Kanbei themed cocktail and the Toyotomi Hideyoshi cocktail that is so manly, it has to be served in a stone cup.
    But yeah, it's in these silly things where the brand really rakes the green, strange as that may seem to us.
     
  25. SanoBaron

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    so, what's everyone's opinion on Motochika?
    cuz I love that guy.
    just flying around with an anchor.
     
  26. Cybermanworf

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    I like Motochika altough my favourite characters are Shingen, Mitsunari and Hideyoshi.

    Also Date for his dialogue.

     
  27. SanoBaron

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    Worf, I figured you'd like Date the best because
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    my favorite live action basara is nobunagackt
     
  29. Cybermanworf

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    Why cannot I not like something more than once, I want to to like this more, it is frigging perfect.
     
  30. SanoBaron

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    if you want something else to like then here ya go.
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    also
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    man I can just hear the TM Revolution just looking at that
     
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    by heaven's decree, I agree!
     
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  33. Cybermanworf

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    I have just found the actor for Live action Shingen was also the actor for Akira Date.

    My day has been doubly made.
     
  34. SanoBaron

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    wanna know who should play live action Motochika?

    Yutaka Kobayashi.
     
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  35. Cybermanworf

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    I have no problem with that scenario, I am not sure if there is a live action actor for Motochika so that could be cool.
     

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