Valentine Beta Combo and Tech Thread

Discussion in 'Valentine' started by Colossi, Oct 27, 2014.

  1. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    She has changed a lot, so to avoid filling the retail combo thread with combos that don't work there, I thought about creating this one to keep things organized.

    Corner - Universal - 7.5k - no vial - 1 meter (open)
    c.lk c.mk(1) c.hp
    j.hp xx H Bypass
    IAD j.hp xx M Bypass
    double jump j.lp j.mp j.hp
    rejump j.lk j.mp j.hp
    s.lp(x3) s.lk s.mp(x2) c.mk s.hk(x3) xx H Bypass xx EKG Flatliner


    Corner - Universal - 8.1k w/ vial - 7.2k no vial - 1 meter (open)
    c.lk c.mk(1) c.hp
    j.hp xx H Bypass
    M Bypass
    double jump j.lp j.mp j.hp
    rejump j.lk j.mk j.hp xx vial throw
    s.lp(x3) s.lk s.mp(x2) c.mk s.hk(x3) xx H Bypass xx EKG Flatliner
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2014
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  2. RemiKz

    RemiKz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Norcal
    Steam:
    remikz_
    PSN:
    RemiKz_
    Peacock
    Filia
    Cerebella
    After 60 whole seconds of trying I got

    c.LK, c.MK, c.HP,
    j.HP, j.HK, HK Bypass, MK Bypass, airdash,
    j.MP, j.HK, rejump,
    j.LP, j.MP, j.HK,
    LP(3), MP(2), c.MK, HP, HK Bypass, Super

    Was about 7.4k midscreen on Filia
     
  3. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

    Steam:
    gllt
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Here's almost mike z's val combo



    and here's mine



    edit:

    vial combo

     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2014
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  4. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown

    c.lk c.mk(1) c.hp
    j.hp xx H Bypass
    IAD j.hp xx M Bypass
    c.mk(1) c.hp
    j.lp j.mk(1) j.hp IAD j.mp
    s.lp(x3) s.lk s.mp(x2) c.mk s.hp xx H bypass xx EKG Flatliner

    heavies only, 7.7k, midscreen, no vial, 1 bar

    tech (open)

     
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  5. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band


    Being able to meterlessly combo off an air grab.

    Also with the new beta changes you can meterlessly combo Big Band's FAT ASS (edit: off an air grab) by canceling into L Bypass and linking with j.lp or j.lk.
     
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  6. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Bypassing armor, you mean?


    edit: nvm, it's 4:20 and i'm feeling dumb
    and I don't even use drugs
     
  7. Mayor of Earth

    Mayor of Earth That one Cross-up Guy

    Location:
    Visalia, CA
    Steam:
    NAP| Mayor of theEarth
    XBL:
    superclaymanx
    Fukua
    Double
    Big Band
  8. ShadeMoneh

    ShadeMoneh We have a h8r

    Steam:
    ShadeMoneh
    PSN:
    ShadeMoneh
    Valentine
    Filia
    Parasoul
     
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  9. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Sorry, I'm busy laughing my goddamn ass off to try testing these combos on other characters. I should also probably turn down the meters to see the net meter gain. Probably something ridiculous.


    c.lk c.mk c.hp
    L bypass, M bypass
    c.hp
    j.hp H bypass j.hk M bypass
    air dash j.mk j.hk
    dash s.lp (x3) s.mp(x2) s.mk s.hk(x3) xx H bypass xx EKG



    c.lk c.mk s.hp, LnL assist, M bypass
    TK M bypass, H bypass
    c.hp
    j.hp, H bypass, j.hk, M bypass
    air dash j.mk j.hk
    dash s.lp (x3) s.mp(x2) s.mk s.hk(x3) xx H bypass xx EKG
     
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  10. Slyzor

    Slyzor Active Member

    Location:
    Russia
    Steam:
    Slyzor
    Painwheel
    Big Band

     
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  11. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
  12. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Where are the beta changes at?
     
  13. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
  14. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    So your telling me now I can air grab scapales OTG j hk bypass and then combo 0_0
    Me and Val gotta do some loving tonight
     
  15. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    Is this similar to the well-timed air normal thing duck does with jMK , albeit easier now because of cross angle changes?
     
  16. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    which thing with j.mk is it that Duck does?
    It is a well-timed air dash j.lp link that's somewhat tight-ish. Easiest to practice on Eliza/Double/Big Band/Painwheel/Peacock

    For some reason it feels impossible to hit Filia/Fukua/Bella with a vial or shuriken in the corner. Bella especially has a hard time getting hit. Might be that the purple bounce heights vary character to character. Idk.
     
  17. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Are you talking about the bread and butter Duck combo?
     
  18. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
  19. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Huh. I guess it is essentially that thing Duck did. Don't think the shorter angle changed much for these combos tho, or made them any easier. Haven't tested the entire cast, but L dead cross actually lands on Filia/Fukua/Bella in the corner, but by the time it touches, they've gone into the blue bounce stage and the dead cross whiffs.
     
  20. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown

    I like this one.
     
  21. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double

    this is a level 3 poison combo that was based on green vial combos of SDE. It deals about 9.5k in 1.0 and gains about 105 percent of a meter bar
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2014
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  22. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member



     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2014
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  23. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double

    Just more proof that bomber is the move :^)
     
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  24. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double

    Burst bait in corner. All hits 100% safe from burst (tested), burst will only work if the opponent bursts after all hits finish.
     
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  25. Tomo009

    Tomo009 Well-Known Member

    Eliza
    Robo Fortune
    Beowulf
    I got 8135 by simply swapping M and L bypass, need to check on other characters still.

    Confirmed:
    Valentine
    Eliza
    Fortune
    Fillia/Fukua
    Painwheel
    Parasoul (really hard to hit j.HK in the second string if you don't use MK bypass though)
    Big Band (hard to get only the second hit of j.HK)


    Needs Alterations:
    Squigly: swap MK and HK bypass in second loop or j.HK will whiff
    Peacock: swap the first bypass of the second air string for LK bypass then use HK. NOTE: I have hit it with MK first, but I don't know how and in a lot of tries have not been able to replicate it. Never hit HK bypass first
    Double: swap the first bypass of the second air string for LK bypass then use HK.
    Bellabanana: swap the first bypass of the second air string for MK bypass then use HK.




    NOTE:

    The combo is easier on EVERYONE if you do LK bypass MK bypass in the first air string instead of vice versa.
    The combo is easier on EVERYONE if you do a low strength bypass as the first one in the second air string.
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2014
  26. digits

    digits mad mad mad

    Steam:
    SHOYSTER
    Painwheel
    Parasoul
    i want to make combos but i cant stop fucking laughing at all these bypasses
     
  27. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    My val bnb as of now:

    c.lk, c.mk, c.hp,
    j.hp, H bypass, air dash, j.hp, M bypass,
    dash, c.mk, c hp,
    j.hk, adc, j.mp, j.hk,
    s.lpx3, s.mpx2, c.mk, s.hp, H bypass, super.

    Universal 7.9k
     
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  28. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member



    not sure if the jHP hitstun is too long to allow for adc airthrow in any kind of ankle-check capacity, but hey.
     
  29. digits

    digits mad mad mad

    Steam:
    SHOYSTER
    Painwheel
    Parasoul
    how long do you let the j.mp rock?

    i cant seem to nail down the timing except on tall characters. i can fudge it a bit by substituting the last string with j.lp j.mp j.hp h bypass super but that leaves a whole .5k on the table and i can't have that.

    plus no option for s.hk knockdown dickery
     
  30. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    4 hits of j.mp

    and try to delay the first j.hk and the j.mp as much as possible.

    or do j.lp, j.mk, adc, j.mp, j.hk instead
     
  31. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    fun 8k for today's build
    [ MEDIA=youtube]GMdx1sIns0o[/MEDIA ]


    edit: fun 8.4k for today's build

     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2014
  32. Tomo009

    Tomo009 Well-Known Member

    Eliza
    Robo Fortune
    Beowulf
    I have a fun air throw/burst bait 50/50 using the new changes for 1 meter.

    I've been using CaioLugon's BnB for damage with some decent corner carry, my main reset point is right here:

    2LK 5MP 2HP
    j.HP xx j.236HK
    air dash
    j.HP xx j.236MK
    dash
    2MK 2HP
    j.HK xx air dash
    j.MP j.HK
    HERE

    So the actual 50/50 itself from the combo is either j.MP xx air dash back or simply air throw.

    The air throw followup is:

    air throw xx 236PP
    j.236LK
    air dash
    j.MK j.HK
    air throw OR j.LP xx air dash back

    Sets up back into itself for 1 meter. Not sure if Val had a setup like this before, but I've thought for a long time these are the most threatening resets in SG, so it is great to have the option ever for a meter.
     
  33. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    Few neat ideas with weird links. 10/31 build.



     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2014
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  34. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Corner combo with copter



    absolutely no effort went into this
     
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  35. mpgame99

    mpgame99 Active Member

    Steam:
    mpgame99
    PSN:
    malikpate
    XBL:
    mpgame99
    Valentine
    Beowulf
    Eliza

    Universal 8k corner combo
     
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  36. Slyzor

    Slyzor Active Member

    Location:
    Russia
    Steam:
    Slyzor
    Painwheel
    Big Band
     
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  37. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Simple stuff
     
  38. Effay

    Effay Active Member

    Steam:
    Effay
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    Just posting here to let people know that Duck's midscreen ilght corner carry combo works in the 25% super jump patch. the timing is different and you need to get in more hits with j.mp than usual but it still works.
     
  39. Karr

    Karr I animate stuff

    Steam:
    Karr420
    Valentine
    Big Band
    here is my valentine+BB 11k corner operation. overall damage is about 9k without the bb lvl 1 followup. forgot I already had 1 vial loaded before the combo. but here it is.

    there are opportunities to sneak in a few more heavy hits, but this is broken down to be done realistically everytime. biggest challenge is making sure your s. LP's carry the combo after the syringe toss.

    this combo works on all weight classes

     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2014
  40. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    you guys should totally use all s.mp hits and s.lk after s.lp when doing the last string in the corner.
     
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